The Panda Debate

[Tea&Medals]

Right i know we all think pandas are cute,they're black and white,look cuddly and eat bamboo,only live in certain areas of China,which are being reduced all the time,they only breed every 2-3 years so man being man has said "we will help,we are such a noble breed,after destroying your habitat,we will help with breeding programs so you will not become extinct".
My point is how much money is the world spending on this doomed beast?
Money which could be better spent elsewhere,like on humans?
I think we should let nature take its course and what happens happens,anyone agree or have i just doomed myself on this great server?

This can also be said for a multitude of other things,in the uk we have ancient cathedrals,churches,castles alot of them many hundreds of years old and you can imagine the upkeep of these places is getting bigger and bigger every year,its not church congregations that pick up this tab,its uk tax payers,as time goes on this money could be spent on far better things,like humans,hospitals,schools,anything that will further the communities and make better people,i know again a few or alot will be saying what you on about Tea?
Think about it,imagine a loved one had a form of cancer that cost alot of money anad the hospital couldnt afford the treatment,then the government announce its just put £800 million in the pot to restore a few of St. whoevers churches,you would be livid,im not anti church i just think humans should come first not an old relic from an ancient time that doesnt get used apart from being a tourist attraction and if it is a tourist attraction,put in a rollercoaster!!!

Who's with me?Pandas your on your own and stuff the heritage,humans first......

[Zwerghirsch]

I agree for the billions of (more serious?) problems on this small planet.


I think we should let nature take its course and what happens happens

We didn't do that in the past! And why not first fixing the problems we caused and THEN starting with let the nature do their thing?

[[Team] Traz]

Humans vs. nature can be a sticky topic. I see a connection between the two as certain aspects of nature certainly enrich life. As a human I also want what’s best for us but to hold us up as the greatest thing on the planet I can not do, especially seeing what we do to each other daily and have done to each other throughout history. As for how the UK spends its money and where here is a little bit of info about tourism and the money it bring in from silly humans wanting to look at your aging history.
“Tourism is the 6th largest industry in the UK, contributing £76 billion to the economy. It employs 1,800,000 full-time equivalent people — 6.1% of the working population.”
So you can stop caring for your ancient building and some of the other things that make the UK the UK and you will see that 76 billon pounds go down and the number of people employed drop. Hope you can find other things to interest enough people to bring 76 billon pounds in to the UK which in turn helps you afford money for research into illnesses and other things affecting humans. As humans we are certainly not perfect but to forget history and destroy nature and help bring about the extinction of other creatures is a legacy that could doom us and if nothing else lead to a world void of what enriches all of us, the wonder that is nature in its many forms.

PS, we humans have done a lot to nature over the course of history that leads to the lose of animal and plant life forever. Certainly nature usually weeds out the sick/weak but we humans destroy so much for no good purpose its sad.

[oreososa]

...............wow guys lol lets be easy

[[Team] Guano693]

too late to stop it now..pretty soon we,ll be eating each other like the" rats" we are..

[Tea&Medals]

not disputing the facts but being british,where do you get this £76 billion from?thats alot of dough.....

[Tea&Medals]

and im not destroying nature,all i said was let nature take its course on the pandas,i think we are putting off the inevitable......the other thing about tourism is alot of the profit made from it goes into large companies who spend it on pandas.....lol

[[Team] Jenifearia]

personally I do think you have a point but I think there needs to be more of a balance. From Traz's post it appears that there is some additional good coming from the help the UK is giving the churches. my thoughts are it should be done in more realistic amounts each year and that when a country or state is looking into updates they need to be responsible for that money because it is the tax payers money they are spending.

as for the panda's I can see the argument from both sides. I think in some respects we lack preventative care of the habitat for all animals. However I am not an extremist and expect that I am going to be able to be responsible but be able to live (meaning I can live a rather normal functioning life)(green extremist drive me nuts). I would like my children and grandchildren (when I get them) to be able to see a panda along with some of the other animals near extinction. I again say it is a balance and that both should be able to be taken care of (within reason).

You feel the same about this as I feel about the US sending out billions of dollars to save different countries from AIDS and hunger when we can't even support the people we have in this country. we have tons of people with out food, clothing, or a roof over their head and many others that can't get medical care because they can't afford it. my point in this is if a family (the US) can't take care of the needs and bills of it's own family they don't belong taking responsibility for the bills of another family. You wouldn't go tell a clinically depressed person to go counsel another depressed person it just doesn't make sense. don't get me wrong I'm all about helping but I am also about survival because we can't help anyone if we don't get the help we need ourselves. Just my three sense worth :P

[Tea&Medals]

i hear you jennifer,i think what obama is doing with healthcare is long overdue,all this scaremongering about obama the communist.....thats just right wing baloney,its way long overdue,when you have international aid charities setting up shop in USA's most under privileged areas and you get 3-5000 people showing up,and these people arent all immagrants they are americans,born and bred,a social underclass,not cared about least of all by their government,until now,what price you paying for it?who cares how much have you spent in "defense" in the past 30 years?Trillions of dollars,where does this money go?certainly not on the american people......so where have all these tax dollars went?????? anyone know?????

the bloody pandas!!!!!!!

[[Team] Traz]

not disputing the facts but being british,where do you get this £76 billion from?thats alot of dough.....



Looked it up under tourism and the UK on the internet.

[Baggy_Drawers]

I have an idea. What if all the people who really cared about pandas, adopted one? That would help out on several levels. The pandas would get a nice source of protein, and it would also go toward reducing the ever growing poulation problem. I mean really? Who wouldn't want to have a huge bear living in their house?

I'm actually in agreement with Traz on this one. I think that many of the "frivolous" things that countries spend money on are actually important to maintain our cultural identity and quality of life.

And what about space exploration and govenment funded research that doesn't seem to have a direct benifit? Where a governments money goes should be looked at with a critical eye, I agree. But to completely drop our aesthetic venues would leave the world, and the human race, in a much colder emotional place.

[[Team] Jenifearia]

i hear you jennifer,i think what obama is doing with healthcare is long overdue,all this scaremongering about obama the communist.....thats just right wing baloney,its way long overdue,when you have international aid charities setting up shop in USA's most under privileged areas and you get 3-5000 people showing up,and these people arent all immagrants they are americans,born and bred,a social underclass,not cared about least of all by their government,until now,what price you paying for it?who cares how much have you spent in "defense" in the past 30 years?Trillions of dollars,where does this money go?certainly not on the american people......so where have all these tax dollars went?????? anyone know?????

the bloody pandas!!!!!!!

actually I am opposed to the Obama health care plan. not because I don't like the thought of everyone having health care but some things are good in theory and not in action. I believe Obama's intentions with the health care plan is admirable but I think he is trying to push it through so fast that they aren't looking at all the pros and cons and how to deal with each. I'm for taking action but I also realize that sometimes if we push through to hard we don't cover all the bases. plus I'm not for loosing my rights....I shouldn't have to be forced to buy health insurance and be penalized if I don't. If a person doesn't have it already most likely it is because they can't afford it. just for me to get on my husbands plan is almost 400 a month who has that amount to pay out every month? I am dealing with L&I over a work related injury and they are fighting to fix what needs to be fixed and this is over two years ago. people shouldn't have to deal with this to get repaired when they are already dealing with enough as it is when they have the health problem.

[tinybobdfa]

In some ways T&M has a point not about the panda's alot of the problems for panda's are human based so it is up to the human race to say sorry and help the little buggers out.
As for churches blow the bloody things up we have too many churches in the uk
Keep all the ones that get lots of tourists, blow up the rest. :D
The churches and cathedrals that have a good tourist base are good as they help their local economies out so as in the same way they should be given a small fund to keep them going. as for the rest let me just say "BOOM" :D

[Tea&Medals]

Ok Chris Packham sums it up for me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/23/panda-extinction-chris-packham

Also our so called cultural identity has been eroded by soft immigration laws,human rights and british people rolling over and letting immigrants away with murder,we recently had a major hoohaa here,IslamUK wanting to protest when dead british soldiers brought home go through Wooton Basset and the townspeople come out in their hundreds to pay their respects,they wanted to protest about the dead afghani's british soldiers have killed......wrong....the movement is banned now......things like that,Britain is a soft touch thats why immagrants want to come here and live,im a 40 year old british man,worked most of my life,paid taxes,complied with the law (apart from speeding) and i feel like im the bottom of the heap!!!!!So what cultural identity i have is in my head,where it cant be touched,im scottish at heart but british as well,my country is on its ass.....think we need a "divine wind" to blow our troubles away......Tea Out......rant over

[Sohavior]

I'm of the opinion that we should just hit the big red button to turn everything into a giant glass parking lot and then respawn near the enemy base.

...oh wait, this isn't a bf2 thread. Nevermind. ;)

In truth, I am for letting nature run its course. But only after humanity has removed most if its influence. Don't think I would feel right thinking nature could fix itself in a chemical filled hazard zone (even though I am sure it could).

As for the point of the post (money going where it is not needed) it seems to me that governments in general are pretty irresponsible about their spending. Sure it could be argued that the money they spend does help out by creating jobs and such, but it would do the same if the money went somewhere actually useful instead. For example, I am sure something better could have been done with the $3.8 billion spent on a laser plane by USA.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/laser-plane-can-fry-a-foes-missile/2007/06/22/1182019343286.html